Posted on November 28th, 2008 by admin.
Categories: Ranting.
On Nov 28, 6:51 am, Treebeard wrote:
> On Nov 28, 6:03 am, “Trance Gemini” wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Dev wrote:
> > Truly shameless and yet very Christian behavior. In fact, this isn’t limited
> > to Christians since you can see the same kind of behavior amongst those who
> > believe in the other Abrahamic religions which leads one to believe that
> > it’s the biblical doctrine itself that’s the source of this and not just
> > “bad” christians.
>
> Well, not really, since it seems to be very HUMAN behaviour:
>
> http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/michael_coren/2008/11/22…
>
> Are you going to claim that those people targetting random and
> innocent religious people over the issue of same-sex marriage was
> spawned by the Bible, and that these people were following a Abrahamic
> religion in doing so?
Which ones? The ones denying civil liberties to the gay people who
retaliated, or the gay people?
Posted on November 28th, 2008 by admin.
Categories: Ranting.
On Nov 27, 10:49 pm, Dev wrote:
> http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/11/little_axe_oklahoma.php
>
> “In 1981, Bell had just moved to Little Axe and enrolled her children
> in the local public school system. At that time, school officials were
> allowing a teacher-sponsored student group called the Son Shine Club
> to gather before school to pray.
>
> Though the fundamentalist Baptist meetings were supposedly voluntary,
> the school buses dropped students off 30 minutes before classes
> started. Those who were not attending the religious meetings had to
> wait outside the building, sometimes in the rain or cold. The Son
> Shine sessions also extended into first-hour class time, Bell said.”
>
> “After contacting the ACLU and filing a lawsuit, Bell and McCord
> became the subjects of hatred and even violence. Bell’s house was
> burned down by a firebomb. McCord’s 12-year-old son’s prize goats were
> slashed and mutilated with a knife. Bell was assaulted by a school
> cafeteria worker who smashed her head repeatedly against a car door.
> (School authorities praised the cafeteria worker, and she was forced
> to pay a $10 fine and Bell’s hospital bills, community residents
> raised donations on the assailant’s behalf.) McCord and Bell were both
> mailed their own obituaries.”
>
> “‘When I began the suit, I just wanted to stop the religious services
> at school, but I supported the idea of nonsectarian prayer in the
> classroom during school,’ McCord told the National Catholic Reporter.
> ‘Since I’ve seen what religion can do to a community, I don’t support
> any religious observance in school.’”
“Militant” atheism has the audacity to claim that religion damages and
kills people.
“Militant” theism damages and kills people.
Of course, none of these people were “True Christians” (TM) because
they make other theists look bad.
Posted on November 28th, 2008 by admin.
Categories: Ranting.
Right. Well, what Les doesn’t seem to get is that most atheists (all
smart atheists) _don’t_ think that something complex needs a
deliberate creator–that’s a theistic argument. Dawkins’s whole point
is “okay, well, you seem to think God is ‘complex’–therefore, by your
own premise He would need a creator”. Then those like Allan try to
“refute” this by saying, basically, “God is an exception”–not
substantiated, but the thing about all the “logical” arguments for God
is “logic applies to everything but God” comes up eventually. This
doesn’t work because it could be used to defend any indefensible
position–once you start saying logic applies to everything but _your_
argument, you aren’t making a logical argument anymore, and you’re
back to faith/delusion.
On Nov 28, 12:59 pm, Answer_42 wrote:
> On Nov 28, 2:52 pm, “ranjit_math…@yahoo.com”
>
> wrote:
> > > The ultimate 747 argument is pointless without starting from that
> > > point.
>
> > In line with your iterations argument below, why not say that the 747
> > was designed by God since that would reduce the number of iterations
> > (of causes) required to explain a 747?
>
> Have you even read the747 analogy as presented by Dawkins?
> From reading this reply of yours, it seems you have no idea what this
> is all about.
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> All children are atheists — they have no idea of God.
> — Baron d’Holbach