Posted on May 31st, 2008 by admin.
Categories: Ranting.
On May 31, 2:50 pm, omprem wrote:
> You got to love it that every time the Merkin atheists on this board
> spend a penny, or a dollar, they are repeating the affirmation, “IN
> GOD
> WE TRUST”.
No they aren’t.
> If they were true to their rabid convictions they would
> give up money all together.
What rabid conviction would that be?
> But no one ever accused atheists of having
> the courage of their convictions.
No one ever accused you of making a coherent logical argument. Sigh.
Posted on May 31st, 2008 by admin.
Categories: Ranting.
On May 27, 8:54 am, “Bob T.” wrote:
> On May 26, 8:28 pm, Alan Wostenberg wrote:
>
> > Bob, let’s not waste time on silly, uninteresting or absurd things.
> > Why do you find it any of those things to say of a man who seeks truth
> > with his whole heart and mind “his God is truth”?
>
> Because “God is truth” is meaningless. If you actually mean that
> “God” is the same thing that we normally define as “truth”, then there
> is no reason to use the word “God” at all - just say “truth”. If
> truth is what you seek, then you are a truth-seeker, not a God-seeker.
Meaningless? Have you not heard phrases like “his God is his stomach”;
“his God is power”; “his God is truth”, and so forth? It refers to
whatever is the highest good of that person; he subordinates
everything that. He would rather know the most bitter truth than
believe the most pleasing fantasy. Does this not describe your
orientation with regards to truth? If truth is not your God, then what
regulates your life?
> If, on the other hand, you mean something deep and meaningful about
> saying that “God” (a word that describes a deity, commonly the Judeo-
> Christian one) is the same thing as “truth” (the opposite of false),
> then I disagree. Those two words do not mean anything similar at all,
It does seem that way at first blush. Isn’t truth relational — the
conformance of mind to extra-ental reality? If so, how could truth be
a Person?
Posted on May 31st, 2008 by admin.
Categories: Ranting.
On May 31, 12:57 pm, omprem wrote:
> If you want to know about books, guides and gurus and methodology then
> visit a religion and ask one of its more aware practitioners. If you
> present yourself as a sincere and willing person all shall be given to
> you.
Unlikely, as I presented myself as a sincere and willing person and
yet nothing has been given to me by way of an actual answer to a very
simple question:
How do you know this poem is an accurate depiction of an authentic
spiritual experience?
>
> On May 30, 9:41 am, Drafterman wrote:
>
> > On May 30, 9:14 am, omprem wrote:
>
> > > There have been thousands of books written on that subject.
>
> > Can you cite the specific books that contain the criteria you used to
> > determine that this poem is an accurate depiction of an authentic
> > spiritual experience?
>
> > > There are
> > > thousands of guides and gurus to whom one can turn.
>
> > Which guides and gurus did you turn to to determine that this poem is
> > an accurate depiction of an authentic spiritual experience?
>
> > > A key tip is that
> > > as long as your consciousness has any content in it, you have not gone
> > > far enough: content is phenomenality and phenomenality is not God.
>
> > What methods did you use to determine the level of content in the
> > consciousness of the author of this poem?
>
> > > On May 29, 2:24 pm, Drafterman wrote:
>
> > > > On May 29, 12:34 pm, omprem wrote:
>
> > > > > An excellent question. A spiritual experience is only ‘inauthentic’
> > > > > in the sense that the person thinks that he/she has had the ultimate
> > > > > experience of God when in fact they have only had a partial experience
> > > > > and have chosen to stop their journey because of ego or have
> > > > > mistakenly their misinterpretation of a spiritual experience for the
> > > > > ultimate experience and have a skewed notion of God. Those inauthentic
> > > > > spiritual experiences constitute what is known as spiritual emergence
> > > > > syndrome.
>
> > > > Ok, you’ve explained to me what an inauthentic experience is. I’m
> > > > asking how you can tell the difference. You state that the author of
> > > > this poem is portraying an authentic experience. How did you come to
> > > > that conclusion?
>
> > > > > On May 29, 10:04 am, Drafterman wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 29, 9:50 am, omprem wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Some of you may enjoy the following poem by Swami Sivananda and
> > > > > > > recognize its portrayal of authentic spiritual experience. Others
> > > > > > > might learn from it, develop some inquisitiveness and come to know
> > > > > > > God.
>
> > > > > > Interesting. How can you tell authentic spiritual experiences from
> > > > > > inauthentic ones?
>
> > > > > > > GOD IS NEAR
>
> > > > > > > Every breath that flows in the nose,
> > > > > > > Every beat that throbs in the heart,
> > > > > > > Every artery that pulsates in the body,
> > > > > > > Every thought that arises in the mind,
> > > > > > > Speaks to you that God is near.
>
> > > > > > > Every flower that wafts fragrance,
> > > > > > > Every fruit that attracts you,
> > > > > > > Every gentle breeze that blows,
> > > > > > > Every river that smoothly flows,
> > > > > > > Speaks of God and His mercy.
>
> > > > > > > The vast ocean with its powerful waves,
> > > > > > > The mighty Himalayas with its glaciers,
> > > > > > > The bright sun and stars in the wide sky,
> > > > > > > The lofty tree with its branches,
> > > > > > > The cool springs in the hills and dales,
> > > > > > > Tell you of His omnipresence.
>
> > > > > > > The music of the sweet singers,
> > > > > > > The lectures of the powerful orators,
> > > > > > > The poems of the reputed poets,
> > > > > > > The inventions of the able scientists,
> > > > > > > The operations of the dexterous surgeons,
> > > > > > > The utterances of the holy saints,
> > > > > > > The thoughts of the Bhagavad Gita,
> > > > > > > The revelations of the Upanishads,
> > > > > > > Speak of God and His wisdom.
>
> > > > > > > — Sri Swami Sivananda- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text — Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -