God or Not?

Just seen a great program on BBC2 about the Turin Shroud.

Posted on March 31st, 2008 by admin.
Categories: Ranting.

On Mar 31, 11:56 am, Maggsy wrote:
> On Mar 31, 4:23 am, harry k wrote:
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> > On Mar 30, 9:48 am,Maggsy wrote:
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> > > On Mar 30, 4:16 pm, harry k wrote:
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> > > > Common scientific knowledge. If you can point to one of Newton’s laws
> > > > that have been done away with, just post it.
>
> > > Newton’s law is not completely accurate for high masses, where
> > > Einsteins general relativity has to be used.
>
> > > Newton’s law’s are not completely accurate . There was noticed a small
> > > discrepancy in Mercury’s orbit even before Einstein came along with
> > > his theory of general relativity. Also the Moons orbit is not
> > > precisely as Newton predicted and this has been proved by NASA firing
> > > lasers at a mirror placed on the Moon.
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> > Newton’s laws are accurate in the are where they apply.
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> > Your example are only corrections to prior calculations, they did not
> > do awae with the laws. In-as-much as they changed Newton, it is only
> > a correction to the theory, not a ‘doing away with’. Very few
> > theories are fixed and firm, they are all subject to modification as
> > new facts and evidence come to light.
>
> If a law is corrected then it must have been wrong in the first place.
> If a law is corrected then it is not the same law any more by
> definition.
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>

Oh-My-God! You actually think that theories, such as the ‘theory of
gravity’, the theories leading to Newton’s various laws, chiseled in
stone!!!

Harry K

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verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry nice link

Posted on March 31st, 2008 by admin.
Categories: Ranting.

On Mar 31, 11:20�am, “Keith MacNevins” wrote:
> There are now slightly more followers of Islam than Roman Catholics. But did
> you hear the reason? It is because (according to the evening news broadcast
> 03-30-08) because Roman Catholic households have been having fewer babies.
> And BTW the percentage of Roman Catholics in the world is still very close
> to how many Islamics there are. And BTW there are still more Christians BY
> FAR than followers of Islam.

LL: Well, the Catholic Church has certainly been doing everything it
can to increase the population of Catholics. Unfortunately for the
Church, those ornery Catholics keep thinking for themselves. That’s
got to be a hard pill to swallow for the church. They’re probably
sorry they stopped the hellfire and brimstone sermons.
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> On 3/31/08, alsomama wrote:
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> > NBC NEWS: 20000 Americans Convert to ISLAM Each Year! :
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/2PS2creVhaM
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> > �� :
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> > Yusuf Estes - Priests and Preachers accepting Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/E6K0627FiCk
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> > �� :
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> > Many Latinos Convert Daily To ISLAM Live From Venezuela:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/1XyrxzQIN9w
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> > �� :
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> > Every day many Germans convert to ISLAM:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/34kjurzK500
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> > �� : ��
> > �� :
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> > Holland TV: ISLAM fastest spreading Faith among Youth Germans
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> >www.youtube.com/watch/v/WAXXN6XOnzQ
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> > �� :
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> > Thousands of Danish convert to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/kru6XQ8CT48
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> > �� : �� :
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> > TV Report Thousands Hispanics Converting To ISLAM:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/yDwGsmTx3D4
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> > �� :
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> > German Scientist & his wife, clinic assistant convert 2 Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/uP-2IqH_l4c
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> > �� :
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> > European Scientist converts to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/0IspK651RpY
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> > �� :
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> > Dr. Ian Weber from England converts to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gUZR6XwU8Pw
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> > �� :
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> > Science students turn to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/y3_JYk4Bo4Y
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> > �� : �� :
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> > TV Report: Christians Convert to ISLAM in France:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Dhu0eEuIsGg
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> > �� 11 �� :
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> > Angela Collins - Muslim Convert weeks after 9/11 Incident:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/j6PJgJdEzNM
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> > �� :
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> > NEW MUSLIM Woman from Australia:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/-baqULx5IBU
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> > �� :
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> > The Choice - A Story of New American Muslim Convert:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/CML3CRPMefA
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> > �� :
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> > Irish and ‘loving Islam’ Convert to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/dIc5oFAva-4
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> > �� :
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> > Jewish to Muslim convert:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/KcBiJnLjwVw
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> > �� :
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> >www.youtube.com/watch/v/IlOuITPE6kE
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/1qpQvpmEqkc
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> > �� :
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> > Why do they accept the Islam?
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/aJ3TGAnFc-U
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> > �� 135
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> > 135 Convert to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/36Glj_FAGcw
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> > �� :
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> > Convert to Islam from Canada:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/uKPer2fma9U
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> > �� :
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> > Revert to Islam - Brian From Christianity (Convert to Islam):
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/bI_YVnD9UvI
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> > �� :
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> > Many Jew and Christian Families Convert To ISLAM:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/84ZtVLI5kXM
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> > �� :
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> > British Catholic Priest Converted To ISLAM:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/pn0iPlWQNlI
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> > �� :
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> > Greece Men Convert to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/IlAjkuECrHc
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> > �� :
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> > Convert to Islam from Hinduism:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/zePqNxz895U
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> > �� :
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> > Christian Convert to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/HDkW2Y35mKQ
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> > �� 22
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> > Twenty two/22 Brothers and sisters convert to (Islam)….:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/XQBn6loQTdY
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> > �� :
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> > Two British Women of different colors convert to Islam:
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> >www.youtube.com/watch/v/uEfMcPQfv7w
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> > �� :
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> > German converts to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/9U1zNXXQA6Q
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> > �� :
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> > Three French Sisters Convert to ISLAM:
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> >www.youtube.com/watch/v/JiksSo0lwL4
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> > �� :
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> > Sister Yvonne Ridley Becomes Muslim Islam Video:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/aOe5s5hP4Gw
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> > �� :
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> > WHY Christians German Lady convert to ISLAM, SEE VIDEO:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/afFv22Wsd5A
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> > ��
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> > Germany Convert to ISLAM:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/os4vUxfJizU
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> > ��
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> > Jerome - How I wrestled my way to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/b2YZGGDGUWE
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> > �� :
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> > The story of a German convert to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gjRjzTAk-RQ
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> > �� :
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> > Revert to Islam - Abdus Salam (Convert to Islam)…:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/VqlilLIQJRE
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> > �� :
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> > Revert to Islam - Maryam Noor (Convert from Christianity)….:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ig0N9aRT0Hc
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> > �� :
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> > Germans convert to Islam on German TV:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/nFqj3xPKc88
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> > �� :
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> > TV Report Rechtsanwalt konvertiert zum ISLAM:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/_4LrIv6kK9o
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> > �� :
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> > Jolene: A Southern Baptist Converts to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/RHQOx12-WJU
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> > �� :
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> > Revert to Islam - Muhammad Musab (Convert from Christianity)….:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Co0xom_KcXM
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> > �� :
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> > Revert to Islam - Yusuf Ali (Convert to Islam)…:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/NcjXK7qzE_k
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> > �� :
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> > How Melina came to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/jLht7Kk0bGg
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> > �� :
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> > Revert to Islam - Abdullah Laban (Convert to Islam)…:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gGeHzUkkJH4
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> > �� :
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> > TV Report Latinos Leaving the Church and Turning to ISLAM:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/j2w14xxi0bM
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> > �� 25 �� :
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> > William Chappelle and 25 members of his family embrace Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/mkBW4l4TmPE
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> > �� 6
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> > 6 German convert to Islam - 2007 - LIVE:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/0SpqpGKp7ts
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> > �� :
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> > Caroline converts from Christianity to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/2Cpmvne2wj0
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> > �� :
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> > Japanese Women Turning To ISLAM. :
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/L7PIOhK-SgA
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> > �� :
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> > American converted Muslim Woman speaking about the Veil:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/L85Mcq3EDX8
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> > �� :
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> > Dia Richardson converted to Islam in USA:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Tp097NNj3Pk
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> > �� :
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> > German Christian converts to ISLAM:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/UTyu18RgrAo
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> > �� :
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> > New Muslim Lady… Live from London:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/NTlta20vsow
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> > �� :
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> > Dutch Women Turning To ISLAM in Holland:
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> >www.youtube.com/watch/v/UyyxPO0HFLk
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> > �� :
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> > New Sister from South Germany:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/EkBRKrUDnEU
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> > �� :
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> > How to Convert to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/i9K7lmYaucU
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> > �� :
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> > Why Abdul Raheem Green Came to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/wF8joJaOVJw
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> > �� :
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> > Robert converts to Islam:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/vU5HGHiNUu0
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The atheist intelligentsia ? + ? = 0

Posted on March 31st, 2008 by admin.
Categories: Ranting.

Haha. No, I don’t think that would get quite as enthusiastic a
response.

Let’s make him a Muslim. :)

On Mar 31, 7:27 pm, Neil Kelsey wrote:
> On Mar 31, 5:47 pm, Dev wrote:
>
> > If you want to go back and count that as an official vote–hell, maybe
> > I should count Dag too–that would be a 7-0. Like it makes a
> > difference. :)
>
> > Maybe chaz did read this thread and just decided to stop posting here.
> > It’s a funny thing that happens sometimes when someone pisses me off.
>
> Maybe next we can vote Brock into an atheist?
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 7:03 am, “zencycle” wrote:
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> > > I was 2nd with a ‘yay’. so it’s 5-0
>
> > > ————————————————–
> > > From: “Dev”
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:06 PM
> > > To: “Atheism vs Christianity”
> > > Subject: [AvC] Re: The atheist intelligentsia ? + ? = 0
>
> > > > I replied to these kind of out of order. It stands at 4 (me, you,
> > > > Trance, bonfly) for, 0 opposed so far. Poll closes in a few hours. :)
>
> > > > On Mar 29, 8:50 pm, Neil Kelsey wrote:
> > > >> On Mar 29, 7:10 pm, Dev wrote:
>
> > > >> > On Mar 29, 5:56 pm, Neil Kelsey wrote:
>
> > > >> > > On Mar 29, 3:36 pm, Dev wrote:
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> > > >> > > > We can just give him away. I don’t want any of those stinky theists
> > > >> > > > on
> > > >> > > > our team, anyway. :)
>
> > > >> > > It would ause some excitement if we could get the Pope though.
>
> > > >> > Ah, we don’t need him. We already have Mother Teresa. :)
>
> > > >> > > > Hey, isn’t chaz the guy who started that thread about “democracy”?
> > > >> > > > That gives me an idea.
>
> > > >> > > > I vote we give chaz to the theist side. Currently the vote is 1-0.
> > > >> > > > Vote will close 24 hours from the time of this post. If the
> > > >> > > > majority
> > > >> > > > votes such, chaz will be a democratically elected theist. Unless,
> > > >> > > > of
> > > >> > > > course, he hates democracy.
>
> > > >> > > Too bad for him, the tyranny of the majority rules. I’ve thought he
> > > >> > > was a theist all along anyway. 3-0
>
> > > >> > 4-0–bonfly voted, too.
>
> > > >> That makes it 5-0 then. I was third.
>
> > > >> > Where are you chaz? Are you not even going to campaign for your lack
> > > >> > of belief? Some atheist you are. For the next nineteen hours or so,
> > > >> > anyway. :)
>
> > > >> > > (Hey Trance…it’s snowing here. It didn’t snow all winter, and right
> > > >> > > now I’m looking at a whiteout over English Bay. No, wait…it’s hail.
> > > >> > > Hail the size of toenails! The ground is completely covered.)
>
> > > >> > > > On Mar 29, 1:36 pm, Neil Kelsey wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > > On Mar 29, 12:24 pm, Dev wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > > > chaz is this close to making the list of “atheists with theist
> > > >> > > > > > brains”
> > > >> > > > > > along with Mike, Deidzoeb and atypician.
>
> > > >> > > > > Maybe we can trade him for a player to be named later.
>
> > > >> > > > > > On Mar 29, 12:57 pm, Neil Kelsey
> > > >> > > > > > wrote:
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> > > >> > > > > > > On Mar 29, 9:52 am, chazworth wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > On Mar 29, 11:36 am, cathyb
> > > >> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > On Mar 29, 9:09 pm, chazworth
> > > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 4:59 am, cathyb
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
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> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 1:48 pm, “wisdom…@gmail.com”
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It is quite obvious that Dawkins,Hitchins, Dennet
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > and company
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > lack in one area. That being they do not understand
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ” understanding
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ” . To understand properly and become cognizant,
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > aware and conscious
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of the complexities of life and existence one must
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > not put himself in
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > a box of simple physical science. One has to be
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > more open minded than
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > these limited thoughts that they proport to be
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > science. True science
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > exceeds the physical into other realms.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn’t.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Whoooh- good argument!!
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > It’s a statement of fact rather than an argument.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > Anything measurable
> > > >> > > > > > > > > is by definition physical, and science is about the
> > > >> > > > > > > > > measurable.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > Congratulations now you have an argument, before you had a
> > > >> > > > > > > > refutation
> > > >> > > > > > > > without substance.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > And of course you are wrong, because your brain is stuck in
> > > >> > > > > > > > a hopeless
> > > >> > > > > > > > mire of normitivity. So I don’t expect you to begin to
> > > >> > > > > > > > understand.
> > > >> > > > > > > > Science can be about things that are beyond measure.
> > > >> > > > > > > > Quantum theory
> > > >> > > > > > > > attends to things that defy measurement.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > I’m pretty sure you’re wrong about that. Rappoccio is a
> > > >> > > > > > > quantum
> > > >> > > > > > > physicist, and I get the distinct impression he wouldn’t be
> > > >> > > > > > > working in
> > > >> > > > > > > that field unless it were quantifiable. In fact, that’s where
> > > >> > > > > > > the word
> > > >> > > > > > > “quantum” comes from- distinct measurable units of matter.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > Science is knowledge. Some
> > > >> > > > > > > > knowledge is not quantifyable. Science refers to any system
> > > >> > > > > > > > of
> > > >> > > > > > > > knowledge which attempts to model so-called objective
> > > >> > > > > > > > reality. This
> > > >> > > > > > > > involves much more than measuring and often is not
> > > >> > > > > > > > concerned with
> > > >> > > > > > > > proportion at all.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > But don’t you worry your pretty little head about it.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > Why not shove you small brained head up your cavernous
> > > >> > > > > > > > arse - your
> > > >> > > > > > > > shit is probably better than the rest of life?
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One can not limit oneself to
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > one discipline ( physical science ) and hope to
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > find the answers. To
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > do so is not
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > WISDOM. Being intelligent is great but without the
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > WISDOM to properly
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > utilize it, much is lost and much is incomplete. So
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > questioning &
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > questioning = zero, but understanding ”
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding”
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Just seen a great program on BBC2 about the Turin Shroud.

verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry nice link

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